Western Union Fraud

[macangels]

For anyone having suffered from a Western Union FeBay fraud scam, please read through the thread with topic name eBay fraud for the names of fraudster, tactics and how to handle ebay and Western Union to stopand address these matters.

Do not ever use Western Union to send money to strangers.

Do not ever use Western Union to complete eBay or similar auctions.

Western Union will do more to protect the criminal fraudster than you the victim.

 

[freebird]

For anyone having suffered from a Western Union FeBay fraud scam, please read through the thread with topic name eBay fraud for the names of fraudster, tactics and how to handle ebay and Western Union to stopand address these matters.

Do not ever use Western Union to send money to strangers.

Do not ever use Western Union to complete eBay or similar auctions.

Western Union will do more to protect the criminal fraudster than you the victim.

No question it is a useful thread. It is unfortunate that companies sometimes are not as helpful as we would like or hope for them to be. Ebay is a HUGE source of fraud, in fact one of the largest. There is very little protection one has and is a reason why I never make high ticket purchases there and rarely at all.

 

[macangels]

Ebay is a HUGE source of fraud

Thank you very much.

It is a sign of the times that so much of our civic society is being handed over to anonymous call centers who all too often have a culture of encouraging their staff to misrepresent the law and overwrite citizen's rights to suit their parent company's financial interests. Such is especially true with eBay and Western Union.

Individual victims of eBay frauds must fight back against this and be firm in their commitment to stop this new crime trend ensuring that eBay and Western Union do not and take responsibility for the criminal opportunities they have created intheir market places.

Just so that individuals understand, a deeper lying problem is that Police departments have historically been based on small local geographies and legal systems based largely on National boundaries - and both governed and staff by conservative, elderly, even intellectually limited individuals that until recently largely unaware or even resistant to the impact of new technologies and are only responsive to problems rather then proactive in avoiding them.

The internet has superceded both of these mode of thinkings and although much case law has been developed to tie " cyber crimes " down to localities, either at the victim's end or at the criminal's, there is no international law that can be applied universally - and even less Policing. Indeed, you could argue that the legal and law enforcement professions have a positive financial and political interest in the rise of crime.

Essentially, the internet has created a new geography of its own into which a large part of our normal civic activities - from commerce to socialising - have moved over from every day life to cyber life. This " market place " or common ground is largely unregulated and almost entirely unpoliced. There is no international Common Law or court for crimes that sorely effect individual citizens.

It is clear that the criminal fraternities has educated and applied themselves to this new geography much quicker than the Police and legal systems have. And be warned, as each new geographic nation develops technologically and economical, we will see their criminal fraternities entering into this cyber world.

We have seen this trend first with the Nigerian advance fee fraudsters, then with Romanian fraudsters [ famous for pickpockets and credit card crime previously ]. We are now seeing it with Chinese and Koreans. Whereas some of this crime is at a hobbyist level, there is no doubt that a large proportion of this crime goes to fun other criminal activity such as drugs, sex slavery and perhaps, ultimately, terrorism.

Mugging and pickpocketing have moved off the streets - where direct risks to the criminals are involved - and on to the internet - where the cowardly criminals know they unpoliced - YET. Detection, observation and tracking would be incredibly simple to put into place.

Governments are doing nothing. They are largely unaware of the problem - which is why victims must contact their political representatives at all levels - and they are largely against agreeing to singular internet regulation and policing due the influence of commercial / financial interests on one side and nationalistic tendencies on the other. Ultimately, the internet will bring about change but largely the policing and regulation of innocent citizens first.

As a rule Police forces will only become involved in cyber crime when very large sums of money are invovled - generally in the high 100,000s of thousands - again only because of the influence of big business and banking. Criminals know this, ordinary citizens do not. They would be outraged to find out the truth.

In this case, the losses of the ordinary civillian is of little interest to Police departments and their grasp of the technology is extremely poor in comparison to the proportionate rise in crime. Historically, the brawn they have depended on is of little use where brain is required and their hands are tied by politicians, lack of fudning and their superiors.

Be warned but be active in fighting this.

It is only grassroot activity from " internet citizens " that will change this

MA

No question it is a useful thread. It is unfortunate that companies sometimes are not as helpful as we would like or hope for them to be. Ebay is a HUGE source of fraud, in fact one of the largest. There is very little protection one has and is a reason why I never make high ticket purchases there and rarely at all.

 

[psyclone2004]

I saw on western union`s website that you can send money online with an cc payment. It`s posible that, somebody who stoled my cc info, could use my cc to send money to his address ?