The Most Significant Case of Judicial Misconduct is About to Explode

[welkin]

Jurisdiction

Georgia

That would be the Fani Willis (pronounced Fony) DA Georgia case and not one word on this forum? Is any of the members watching or following this?

I have watched (live stream) every hearing, including the testimony before the Georgia Senate yesterday. The Georgia Senate is looking at it, the US Senate is looking at it, the Fulton County Commissioners are looking at it, the Fulton County Ethics Board is looking at it. And by looking at it, I mean investigating it.

Yesterday was the announcement (after 5 o'clock) that Robert Patillo, the former executive director of the Rainbow PUSH Coalition, founded by Rev. Jesse Jackson is challenging Judge Scott McAfee (who has been hearing the motion to disqualify Willis and Wade) for reelection in Fulton County. A county that is 76% democratic. Judge McAfee is a republican judge appointed to fill an expired term by a republican governor. There is almost no chance that McAfee will be elected on March 12.

What does he do when he knows he will be out of a job? Does he disqualify Willis and Wade? Does he dismiss the indictment of the special grand jury?

Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[stealthy1]

Personally? If the Thomases (Clarence & Wife) aren't a problem, I don't see why Willis & Wade are. JMO.

 

[Tax Counsel]

I wouldn't call it "the most significant case of judicial misconduct". The only thing that makes this case at all newsworthy is that she's pursuing a case against Trump. It would otherwise be a local matter that might be of some interest to people in that area.I consider her relationship issue, while troubling, to be far less egregious than, say, judges taking bribes to throw cases or using their position to coerce bribes from people.

Personally, Judge McAfees' future isn't something that I care about. It's up to the voters in his judicial district to decide whether to retain him as a judge. I think the outcome of that vote would likely be the same regardless of his investigation of Willis. But it highlights some of the problems with elected judges. They should be independent of politics, but if they have to be elected to get the job, it necessarily throws them into politics. The best judges may not be good politicans and not like running a campaign for the job while the ones who are better at politics and love campaigning may be persons who are not really suitable judges. For those reasons, IMO, elected judge systems tend to produce less capable jurists. That's one of the big reasons that over the last century a number of states have moved away from elected judges to appointed ones.

There is another problem that is less often thought about, and that's the interruption of the cases the judge is handling when the judge loses election and a new judge has to come in and get up to speed, and that judge may completely change the direction of the case, which is costly and frustrating to the parties in that court.

Judge McAfee was appointed and may be well qualified. (I have no opinion one way or the other as I've not spent the time researching his background.) If qualified, he ought to stay in the job (if he wants to do that) and not have to worry that he'll be out of a job after election day. As for Willis, if she's found to have violated the ethics rules, she should face whatever the usual penalty is for that without consideration of the case she's building against Trump.

 

[army judge]

Our system of jurisprudence and justice is generally what it is purported to be. As with all things human, there are occasional glitches. Overall, our legal system has righted many wrongs and continues to do so today. I, at times am frustrated by it's snail like pace, yet ours is the best justice system on this planet.

Our nation's founders weren't perfect, as our history has revealed. They, however, gifted us with the best form of government, replete with the freedoms we enjoy today.

Thanks to the hundreds of thousands of draftees and volunteers, our armed forces continue to allow our nation to persevere, grow, and exist.

There's NOTHING our nation can't overcome if we retain our collegiality, cordialality, and civility towards (and with) each other.

 

[Tax Counsel]

There's NOTHING our nation can't overcome if we retain our collegiality, cordialality, and civility towards (and with) each other.

I agree, but those qualities seem to be in short supply this century.

 

[welkin]

Personally? If the Thomases (Clarence & Wife) aren't a problem, I don't see why Willis & Wade are. JMO.

The difference is that the alleged conflict of interest with Thomases doesn't impact the fair and impartial trial of 18 Defendents in a criminal case as guaranteed by both the Georgia and US constitutions.

 

[welkin]

The only thing that makes this case at all newsworthy is that she's pursuing a case against Trump.

And expanded the special grand jury to include 17 other Defendents.

I think the outcome of that vote would likely be the same regardless of his investigation of Willis.

That is not the question. If the Willis case was not before him and there were no challengers in the election, he might rule one way. But knowing that his chances of winning the election are nil, might he rule scorched earth?

As for Willis, if she's found to have violated the ethics rules, she should face whatever the usual penalty is for that without consideration of the case she's building against Trump.

It's clear that you don't really know the facts of the case probably because you listen to CNN.

The main issues are not about ethics although, she and Wade could very well lose their law licenses over this. Felony perjury and committing a fraud upon the court are just one of their problems. The misuse of public funds is another. Benefiting financially in a prosecution is another, forensic misconduct, and list goes on.

This case has become an example of how corrupt the judicial system has become. Plain and simple.

 

[welkin]

There's NOTHING our nation can't overcome if we retain our collegiality, cordialality, and civility towards (and with) each other.

From your mouth to God's ear.

 

[stealthy1]

The difference is that the alleged conflict of interest with Thomases doesn't impact the fair and impartial trial of 18 Defendents in a criminal case as guaranteed by both the Georgia and US constitutions.

Yeah. Just the rights of a few million people.

 

[Tax Counsel]

This case has become an example of how corrupt the judicial system has become. Plain and simple.

I don't agree with your opinion on that. I'll wager that I've seen more of the inside of the judicial system than you have to have a little better insight on that. Regardless, one case doesn't tell you anything about how the rest of the cases in the country are handled. Your view is one that is popular on the far right though. Perhaps you watch too much Fox News.

 

[Redemptionman]

You don't have to watch Fox news, Joe Rogan and half the former liberal actors/ musicians from California are looking for outs. Some of the exiled picked Austin, Texas some Montana some more even Nashville. California's are also keen on Texas and Arkansas as home steads. They don't want to fix it or remain, the writing is on the wall in their home state. They seek to sell and move cause they don't want to live in a third world lawless dumpster fire where they have protections from the lawless and the ones who enable them. The far left and their minions of rich benefactors.

Don't get me wrong I think the left and the RINOs both want to bring about the destruction of this country. Trump gets in their way and they have to throw all their stones at him making up stuff until they find things that stick.

 

[Tax Counsel]

Don't get me wrong I think the left and the RINOs both want to bring about the destruction of this country. Trump gets in their way and they have to throw all their stones at him making up stuff until they find things that stick.

That's where we have a fundamental difference. IMO Trump is the problem, not the solution. I'm not going attack you over that, as I believe that everyone is entitled to vote for the candidate of their choice regardless of what others, including myself, think. I do think that everyone who is eligble should vote. It's one of the most important rights we have, and not using it means your voice isn't heard. In most every presidential election in the history of this country the people are split on who is the better candidate, sometimes bitterly. That's just the nature of democracy. That someone doesn't share my views doesn't make them an enemy of mine. It would be very boring if everyone thought exactly the same thing.

I'm disappointed that this year we are getting a repeat of 2020. I think there are a lot of younger potential candidates who would make a better president than either of the two choices we are stuck with.

 

[welkin]

I don't agree with your opinion on that. I'll wager that I've seen more of the inside of the judicial system than you have to have a little better insight on that. Regardless, one case doesn't tell you anything about how the rest of the cases in the country are handled. Your view is one that is popular on the far right though. Perhaps you watch too much Fox News.

I don't watch Fox News or any broadcast news channels and have not done so in many years because they all have their own agendas. I get my news right from the sources and get to read all of the court filings myself and I watch live (without commentary) hearings and testimony to understand a case. The rest of the news I get is from the Drudge Report every morning and even then, you now have to figure out what articles are AI generated and which are not.

I'll wager that I've seen more of the inside of the judicial system than you have to have a little better insight on that.

I have no doubt that is true. But you're not going after your political rivels, are you? You are not trying to ruin someone or bankrupt someone's business or make a name for yourself for political ambition using the law, right? I take it that you prosecuted (did prosecute cases for the IRS) or defend cases with tax issues according to the rule of law. not personal ambition or revenge.

I think you are probably the most educated attorney; I have any interaction with, that could answer a question about making payments in cash.

The testimony in the Fani Willis case is that she paid back pecuniary benefits she received from Nathen Wade in cash (the amount is a bit sketchy but somewhere at least $10,000) for travel alone in a two-year period. She presents no documents, bank receipts or statements of any kind to support her testimony. Her Fulton County salary is paid by direct deposit. She says she keeps large amounts of cash in her house because her father brought her up believing that a black woman always has to have cash. But there is no proof or testimony as to where this cash comes from or where it went.

So, in the course of your experience at the IRS, is the testimony believable? Hypothetically, if I am under an IRS audit and I would say that I pay my business expenses in cash but offer no proof whatsoever, I don't show where the cash came from or where it went, what would you say about my assertions? Am I lying or would you believe me and drop the audit. Or would you prosecute me?

 

[welkin]

I believe that everyone is entitled to vote for the candidate of their choice regardless of what others, including myself, think. I do think that everyone who is eligble should vote. It's one of the most important rights we have, and not using it means your voice isn't heard.

Yet, how many states tried to disenfranchise voters from voting for Trump until the Supreme Court said they can't do so? That was an attack on our democracy. The hypocrisy is deafening.

 

[Redemptionman]

Not to mention the expert land appraiser Judge from New York who stated Mar Largo is vastly over valued. I am like really where did you get your Real Estate license from? Our house is worth twice what it was under the Trump administrations so much so that our taxes will probably double in the next few years. Thanks to you and your administrations policies, hypocrisy knows no bounds when dealing with the leftest democrats.

Not to mention leaving the border wide open, Biden inviting in UN NATO ran immigrate camp migrates across Central and South America. Biden giving the green light for them to come by the millions even going so far as for the would be immigrates to wear Biden shirts. Then ole Joe who doesn't even know where he is most days and stumbles, stutters, slurs his words even when pumped up with his medicines.

Not to mention his udder hatred of the border patrol. Coming straight from the former border patrol chief officer on Theo Von. He stated 6 BP agents killed themselves over Biden's statements and nonsupport. Biden vowed to make the BP pay for the horse rein incident where an illegal alien stole food from another and was being chased down. The illegal wasn't even whipped but it was a staged photo. Heir Biden decided he would declare war and make them pay (his own words). I am sorry but if you buy MSM attempts to build the Democrats as the good guys then you support communism and socialist ideas which could destroy this country.

This country isn't a democracy, democracy's fail and decay over time. This country is and always has been a Constitutional Republic. Which is why I laugh when O'Bama calls himself a constitutional scholar, he knows the constitution well which is why he and his party is doing everything he can to destroy it.

 

[stealthy1]

Not to mention the expert land appraiser Judge from New York who stated Mar Largo is vastly over valued. I am like really where did you get your Real Estate license from? Our house is worth twice what it was under the Trump administrations so much so that our taxes will probably double in the next few years. Thanks to you and your administrations policies, hypocrisy knows no bounds when dealing with the leftest democrats.

Not to mention leaving the border wide open, Biden inviting in UN NATO ran immigrate camp migrates across Central and South America. Biden giving the green light for them to come by the millions even going so far as for the would be immigrates to wear Biden shirts. Then ole Joe who doesn't even know where he is most days and stumbles, stutters, slurs his words even when pumped up with his medicines.

Not to mention his udder hatred of the border patrol. Coming straight from the former border patrol chief officer on Theo Von. He stated 6 BP agents killed themselves over Biden's statements and nonsupport. Biden vowed to make the BP pay for the horse rein incident where an illegal alien stole food from another and was being chased down. The illegal wasn't even whipped but it was a staged photo. Heir Biden decided he would declare war and make them pay (his own words). I am sorry but if you buy MSM attempts to build the Democrats as the good guys then you support communism and socialist ideas which could destroy this country.

This country isn't a democracy, democracy's fail and decay over time. This country is and always has been a Constitutional Republic. Which is why I laugh when O'Bama calls himself a constitutional scholar, he knows the constitution well which is why he and his party is doing everything he can to destroy it.

What's an immigrate? And I had no idea that Biden hates cows - surprising with his love of ice cream...

 

[army judge]

This country isn't a democracy, democracy's fail and decay over time. This country is and always has been a Constitutional Republic. Which is why I laugh when O'Bama calls himself a constitutional scholar, he knows the constitution well which is why he and his party is doing everything he can to destroy it.

"The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." – John F. Kennedy

 

[Tax Counsel]

Yet, how many states tried to disenfranchise voters from voting for Trump until the Supreme Court said they can't do so? That was an attack on our democracy. The hypocrisy is deafening.

One state's supreme court, one state trial court, and one state's secretary of state had held that Trump was barred from being on the ballot because of the 14th Amendment. The latter two had their decisions stayed pending the outcome of the Supreme Court's decision. The Colorado Secretary of State had the ballots printed with Trump on them pending the outcome of the Supreme Court So the literal answer to your question is that three, just three, states had a court or secretary of state rule that Trump was ineligible and not a single one of those decisions kept Trump off any ballot.

I don't see any hypocrisy however. How the 14the Amendment applied and how it may be enforced were legitimate legal issues that had never been settled before. And until that decision there was considerable difference of opinion on the matter, crossing political lines. Now it the matter has been finally settled, given the Supreme Court opinion. That's the way our system of government was designed to work, just as the founders intended. IMO, though I dislike Trump as a candidate, the Supreme Court reached the right result, both on the law and for political stability.

Our stage is set. The primaries are effectively over. Let the two very old men fight it out in November. Regardless of who wins, America is not getting the best and brighest for the presidency this election.

 

[Tax Counsel]

This country is and always has been a Constitutional Republic.

Correct, but it is one in which the people elect their representatives, and in that regard is also democratic. It is not a pure democracy in which the people would decide every single matter by voting; a wise choice by our founders. While the design of our government may not be perfect (which the authors of the Constitution acknowledged), I believe the founders struck as good a balance as they could and the result was probably the best that could be done, given the competing ideas at the time. The U.S. system of government is still, I think, the best in the world, despite its flaws.

You say the Democrats are all communists and socialists, a view popular on the far right, especially the MAGA crowd. Those on the far left see the Republican Party, and especially Trump and his MAGAites as Fascists. A great illustration, IMO, of exaggeration by both sides to demonize the other.

I think our system is strong enough that it won't easily fall to dictatorship, either by communists or fascists. Our government is more stable than either the Weimar Republic of Germany in the 1930s or the monarchy of Russia during World War I. Neither of those governments had a public that was not much used to any form of democracy and would not fight for it. I think that the American people, on the other hand, would fight to oppose an attempt to destroy our government and replace it with a dictatorship of any kind, of the left or on the right. I hope that does not change, but history teaches us that the risk is always there if the people aren't vigilant in protecting the values of freedom and democracy.

 

[welkin]

One state's supreme court, one state trial court, and one state's secretary of state had held that Trump was barred from being on the ballot because of the 14th Amendment.

Yet, Trump was not found guilty of insurrection by the congress or any court in any state, nor was he even charged with a such a crime even though there is a federal statute that could have been used. But the states that tried to keep him off the ballot decided that they were judge, jury, and executioner.

The fact that two states had their rulings stayed doesn't change the fact that they tried to keep him off the ballot. So, your argument is completely without merit.

Almost every constitutional scholar (except the far-left wackos) interpreted section 5 of article 14 to say that the states didn't have the power to determine if Trump committed insurrection without congress passing legislation to enforce the disqualification. So, it no surprise that the Supreme Court got it correct.

I don't see any hypocrisy

No? The very people claiming that Trump is a threat to democracy are themselves the threat to democracy.