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Discussion in 'Small Claims & Municipal Court' started by Sevenbeloved, Jul 31, 2012.

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  1. Sevenbeloved

    Sevenbeloved Law Topic Starter New Member

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    In advance I apologize if this is categorized incorrectly. Anyways to the issue, I am a 21 year old male living in the state of Kentucky and in the state of Kentucky the legal age of consent is 16 years old. So my issue is I have a girl that is 15, I love with all my heart and want to spend the rest of my life with and she feels the same, her mother loves me the death and doesn't mid my age and accepts our love, but her father does not. So with permission from one parent and denial from the other can we still date? As well she lives with both parents. Please assist? Thank you.
     
  2. shrinkmaster

    shrinkmaster Well-Known Member

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    If Dad wants to deny you access to his daughter he can. He and Mom need to work this out. However on a related issue there are no laws that define or restrict "dating" its when sex or sexual contact (even non physical sexual contact) occur that the law applies. For your sake stay away from this girl until Mom and Dad agree and if they allow you to see her keep your hand sin your pockets and avoid any sexual calls, text,emails etc etc
     
  3. Sevenbeloved

    Sevenbeloved Law Topic Starter New Member

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    So could I legally date her without having any charges pressed against me? Also there is no sexual conduct we plan to wait until we marry.
     
  4. shrinkmaster

    shrinkmaster Well-Known Member

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    If parents refuse to allow you contact it becomes in theory illegal. No sexual contacts means no sexual contact no fondling, groping, dry humping, sexting etc etc. Not much fun for a horny 16 year old boy
     
  5. Sevenbeloved

    Sevenbeloved Law Topic Starter New Member

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    Well considering I'm 21 and she's 15 and I can keep it mature and g-rated I don't have to worry about that.
     
  6. shrinkmaster

    shrinkmaster Well-Known Member

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    Your 21!! If I were Dad not only would I deny youaccess to my daughter I would castrate if you got near her. Go date women your own age
     
  7. mightymoose

    mightymoose Moderator

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    If her father has any sense at all he will get a restraining order against you to compel you to stay away from his daughter.
    You are walking down a very dangerous road by pursuing this little girl.
    You can find yourself in all kinds of legal trouble even if she is 16 and consents. At some point due to her immaturity she will get mad at you and tell all the secrets you hoped she would keep, or even accuse you of doing things you did not do.... and because of your age nobody will believe that you did not because you were old enough to know better than to mess around with pubescent teenagers to begin with.
     
  8. Sevenbeloved

    Sevenbeloved Law Topic Starter New Member

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    In Kentucky it's legal to consent in sexual conduct at the age of 16 years of age, but I'm not in this for sex, which apparently you two obviously have misread this to be. This is about is about loving someone and having permission to date someone. This is NOT about sex or secrets. This is not about your personal opinion this about whether or not someone can legally love and date someone if they're six years age difference is okay with one parent while another disagrees with it. If you plan to tell me what your opinion and not what is legally justified then please don't post your opinion.
     
  9. shrinkmaster

    shrinkmaster Well-Known Member

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    Heres the deal young man if Dad doesnt want you near his daughter he can legally prevent you from doing so regardless of the consent laws! Far as opinions go we have been 21 oursleves we also deal with horny teens and yong adults like yourself here daily. You can tell us whatever you want but is she gives you green light for sex even at her current age your going to jump on it!
     
  10. mightymoose

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    You are the one asking about the age of consent... so clearly it is something you are thinking about.
    As for dating, as long as she is a juvenile her parents make the rules. If she says yes but mom or dad say no, the answer is no.
    If you proceed you may find yourself facing a restraining order or even criminal charges for harassing juveniles. There are other offenses for you to be worried about than potential rape accusations. Let's not forget angry shotgun wielding fathers too...
    It is in your best interest as well as hers to leave little girls alone and date women your own age. Bad things will happen if you pursue her.... they always do.
     
  11. Sevenbeloved

    Sevenbeloved Law Topic Starter New Member

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    That's we're you're wrong we're both waiting for marriage and this has nothing to do with sex. As well don't stereotype me or we just because you deal with "horny teens" on here everyday because not everyone is the same. So again I have permission from one parent to date her so legally I could but at the same time the other parent doesn't want that, so therefore its a stand still in legal terms. Also if he could take legal action, prove it? What legal action?
     
  12. shrinkmaster

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    If I had a nickle for everyne who said that! You want legal mightymoose gave it to you. If Dad says no its no and if chooses he can pursue legal action that would make contact illegal. On a relationship standpoint your in different worlds and hers will change when it does it wont likely include you. If your seeing each other causes issues with Mom and Dad that will further complicate your relationship. If everything you say is true you will be one with broken heart! Take this old mans advice go date women not girls.
     
  13. Sevenbeloved

    Sevenbeloved Law Topic Starter New Member

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    See and that's the thing the Father may say no, but the Mother says yes. I say it because it's true and because I'm not a horn-dog like you like to assume. I shake my head at your ignorance and constant narrow-mindedness to keep assuming you know me because of my age. I am at level of maturity far greater than most adults I encounter, as well is my girlfriend. I ask you to clarify what legal actions could he take if I am not in any way engaging in sexual acts or manner with her. We love each other and want to be with each other and her Mother approves. I realize a parent could take action if they wish, but what if the parents disagreed. Especially if I have committed no crime, what legal action could there be? Especially with there not being any sexual thoughts, the only reason I noted that Kentucky's age of consent was 16 was because I know for a fact in some states that varies as well as the age to date someone who is older. For example: In NC if your 16-17 years old you can date someone up to the age of 24 years of age. I thank MightyMoose for being more helpful, but it still doesn't clarify the issue.
     
  14. shrinkmaster

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    He was quite clear but you in your denial refuse to look and see. Listen you came here for someone to tell you its ok to see this girl. No one is going to cosign that here. You didnt come here for advice as your mind was made up you came so you could say "thelaw.com" said it was legal. We gave you your legal answers. There are no laws that define or restict "dating" its when sex or any sexual contact occurs (including written, electronic, visual etc) that the law applies. You were also told Dad can if he so chooses press issue (regardless of Moms opinion) and legally prevent you from seeing her.
     
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    Please, don't be foolish.

    We are a private website.

    We can't give you permission to do ANYTHING.

    If I were you, I'd never get involved with a child.

    This is more than what it might seem to you.

    You are potentially setting yourself for a tortious interference with parental rights lawsuit.

    But, if you're lucky, that's the BEST thing that could happen to you in these circumstances.

    If you persist, things could get very rocky and troublesome for you.

    Oh, you didn't mention it, but at what age were you sexually molested and/or abused?
     
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  16. mightymoose

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    Assuming nothing else has happened, dad's option is to get a restraining order against you. He can give any reason he wants. You are an adult and his daughter is a child. He will get the restraining order. If you violate that order and have contact with the child you will be committing a separate misdemeanor offense every single time you have contact her. You will start making regular trips to jail and will learn the hard way that it is not smart to fool around with high school sophomores... or is she still a freshman?
     
  17. mightymoose

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    If the girl goes against either of her parents wishes and continues to see you I would expect the disapproving parent (it does not require both) to start making regular police reports. When she is with you without permission, or missing from home because she is sneaking out, she will be reported as a runaway. At some point along the way the police will get tired of tracking her down and finding her with you. I would expect you to be dealing with offenses such as contributing the delinquency of a minor at a minimum. If I were the one to find her with you and could articulate the circumstances I would not hesitate to lock you up where you can't contact her. You would find yourself with criminal defense fees, a potential criminal record, and depending on what information I could get out of the girl (I assure you she will say something you wouldn't want her to say) you might even find a sexual misconduct crime thrown in there.
    The age of consent law is pretty much regarding consensual intercourse and prevents the application of a rape statute, but there are other options. If she admits to intimate kissing, touching, or any number of other things you will be carrying around a bad rap sheet for a lot of years. Goodbye jobs, goodbye future, hello depression, drugs, and welfare.
     
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    Here's the deal, sport.

    The law does not address dating, per se. What the law addresses is sexual contact. So if your only question is, is there a statute or case law that prohibits you from "dating" this girl, you are in the clear. As long as you never touch her in a way that you would not touch your own grandmother.

    However, the law DOES address a parent's right to parent his (or her) child. If Dad says no, you may not see her, then you may not. And there is nothing in the law that is going to force him to allow it. And he can use the law to prevent you from seeing her. Even if you are both as pure as the driven snow and have never done anything that you couldn't do in the front pew of the church.

    If Dad does not want you in the vicinity of his child, then he can get a restraining order. And if you violate the restraining order, you can go to jail.

    Oh, and btw, if you, at the age of 21, really do have that kind of feeling for this CHILD, there are only two possible reasons. Neither is a credit to you. The less offensive of the two is that you are too emotionally immature to have a relationship with an adult. You don't want me to mention the other on a public board.
     
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    is it illegal to for a 16 year old to date a 12 year
     
  20. shrinkmaster

    shrinkmaster Well-Known Member

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    Wrong its illegal for a 16 year old and 12 year ol dto have sex or sexual contact. There are no laws that define or restrict "dating"
     

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