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Discussion in 'Other Legal Issues' started by Nicholas Tallon, Nov 16, 2021.

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  1. Nicholas Tallon

    Nicholas Tallon Law Topic Starter New Member

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    Hello all, first post, so please don't flame me.

    I have been getting increasingly mad at my school for blocking websites and invading my privacy with GoGuardian. I want to bring my own laptop/internet (because they block sites through internet access as well) but as far as I can see since I have agreed to the school's contract then I can't really do anything about my censorship problem because they legally can censor it. If I can, I'll attach my school's code of conduct. If I don't sign it next year, can they legally prevent me from attending school? It doesn't seem legal to me because in my eyes if the state makes you attend school and my zoning makes me attend WCHS, then when they force me to sign contracts, all my legal rights have been flown out the door.

    I also want to inquire if the school can legally block websites that don't interrupt school sessions. In fact, the way they block school websites actually interrupts the school system because sometimes when researching for articles I write for homework, I get the research material blocked. In my eyes, it's fine when they block CoolMathGames or websites like that, but when they block me from changing settings on my Chromebook (i.e. I can't even change my keyboard to international for Spanish class), that seems inappropriate. Sorry if this has turned into a rant.

    Thanks in advance, I'll appreciate all the help I can get.
    Nick
     

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  2. Zigner

    Zigner Well-Known Member

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    Yes, they can.
     
  3. Nicholas Tallon

    Nicholas Tallon Law Topic Starter New Member

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    for which question? both?
     
  4. army judge

    army judge Super Moderator

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    Nothing prevents YOU from using YOUR laptop unimpeded on YOUR mobile phone carrier's network tethered to your mobile phone.

    You can access any internet service provider and pay your bill, without any censorship or snooping by the school district.

    In a capitalist society, there are a myriad of chouces.

    However, if you wish to use someone's internet for FREE, you obey their rules.

    You have no case, other than irritability caused by censorship.

    I've given you a solution, pay your own way, do your own thing.

    Beggars and Freeloaders have few choices.
     
  5. Zigner

    Zigner Well-Known Member

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    The restrictions are part of the laptop configuration, not the network configuration.
     
  6. Zigner

    Zigner Well-Known Member

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    Yep - follow the rules for a little longer. You'll have plenty of time after graduation to give the finger to the establishment.
     
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    No gaming or porno watching while at school. LOL
     
  8. Nicholas Tallon

    Nicholas Tallon Law Topic Starter New Member

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    well yes, but for the school-provided Chromebook

    Sounds like a plan ;)
     
  9. army judge

    army judge Super Moderator

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    Yes, BUT if one supplies her/his LAPTOP and uses her/his internet carrier, one has zero restrictions.

    My wife and I stayed in a hotel last weekend.

    We used our own carrier, rather than the supposed FREE hotel carrier.

    I come prepared.

    I use my own stuff.

    I have no restrictions.

    I have my own laptops, mobile phones, tablets.

    I make my own rules.

    I fully understood what the OP asked.

    I am a native English speaker, and have no need for your interpreter services.

    Have a very nice day. :)

    Beggars and Freeloaders have few choices.
     
  10. Zigner

    Zigner Well-Known Member

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    I do understand your point...
    However...
    The school is allowed to restrict what websites are viewed on school property during school hours. The young student can find him/her self in hot water even when using his/her own equipment.
     
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    When you say, "my school," I assume you are a student at the high school for which you attached a handbook. Correct? How old are you? What websites are being blocked that you're not happy about? How is the school invading your privacy? Have you discussed the issues raised in your post with your parents?

    I'm guessing you're in high school and probably a minor. If that's correct, then the school administration and faculty stand in place of your parents and can pretty much do anything your parents can do. You have virtually no expectation of privacy in such a situation. And that's even more true if you're at a private school. And none of this has anything to do with you having signed a contract.

    You attached a 71-page student handbook. You don't expect anyone to read through the whole thing, do you?

    Sign what? I may have missed it, but I quickly scrolled through and saw nowhere for you to sign the student handbook.

    Which legal rights are you concerned with. Please be specific and indicate the supposed source of each right with which you're concerned.

    What does "block websites" mean? If the school supplies internet access, including providing a WiFi connection, it absolutely may block access to certain websites. Of course, it depends on what those websites are and the reason(s) for blocking access.

    In such a situation, you should discuss the matter with your teacher. One can reasonably assume that a teacher could request that a particular site be unblocked.

    When you asked your Spanish teacher or the chairperson of the foreign language department or someone in the school's IT department about being able to change your keyboard for Spanish class, what response did you receive?
     
  12. Nicholas Tallon

    Nicholas Tallon Law Topic Starter New Member

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    Woah, that's a lot of questions.
    My freedom of speech and my privacy rights, I don't want them constantly looking at my business

    They just redirect blacklisted websites to blocked.com or just interrupt your internet connection

    She did talk with IT and they didn't change anything.
     
  13. Nicholas Tallon

    Nicholas Tallon Law Topic Starter New Member

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    15, I'm assuming I get more legal rights when I'm 18

    They can see my browser history, my current tabs open, they can close my tabs at any time without warning or asking. They also made it so I can't change any website settings, comment on YouTube videos, etc. They use GoGuardian. I get them limiting access to the internet, but it feels like they abuse their power.
     
  14. zddoodah

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    Legal issues depend on facts. Questions allow for clarification of facts, which results in better and more focused responses.

    Students' free speech rights are subject to significant restriction -- even in public schools. As far as privacy rights, as I noted previously, public school students have VERY little expectation of privacy on campus during school hours.

    That's perfectly legit unless, for example, the school is blocking only "liberal" sites while allowing access to "conservative" sites (or vice versa). That sort of thing would not be legal.

    Did anyone explain why?

    Yes and no. You'll be a legal adult and no longer obligated to attend school. However, if you elect to do so, you'll be subject to the same rules as any other student (although a quick word search in your school handbook indicates certain rights under a law called FERPA (see p. 49).

    It's not without warning. You've been told that it may happen at any time. When you use someone else's equipment and/or internet connection, you don't have an expectation of privacy. It's the same for adults in their workplace. If an adult accesses the internet using his/her employer's computer and internet connection, that employee has no expectation of privacy.

    If you don't like what's happening, talk with your parents to see if they agree. If they do, they can get involved with the PTA and/or attend school district meetings, etc. You can also start a club at school. Perhaps you and other like-minded students can effect change on campus.
     
  15. Nicholas Tallon

    Nicholas Tallon Law Topic Starter New Member

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    Thanks for the help, I'm probably going to just live with it and complain about it when I'm older. I'm starting to think now that choosing to take action isn't going to be worth it.
     
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    I suspect that you'll find that you complain about it in your early adult-hood, but come to agree and support it as you go.

    It's strange how things work out that way ;)
     
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    When you are older you will have many other things to complain about. This will pale in comparison.

    When I was a kid I thought my parents didn't know anything.

    When I became an adult raising children, it became apparent how smart they were.
     
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    I was surprised at how much my parents learned as I got older...
     
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    If you do some research, you'll likely find that every public high school in the country has similar policies/rules. The one my kid attends certainly does.
     
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    Imagine your shock when you get out into the world and find that your employer can and does (quite legally) do the same thing.
     
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