James Wilson
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Is it possible to sue Nancy Pelosi for using her position as Speaker of the House to advance legislation that directly benefits her and her husband's financial interests?
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adjusterjack
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Sure. Anybody can sue anybody for anything. You just aren't going to be successful.
army judge
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Congresspeople and Senators have many protections that neither YOU or I enjoy.
For example:
SECTION 6. Clause 1. The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.
Some additional discussion on the matter:
https://digitalcommons.law.villanova.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2055&context=vlr
One of our US Congresspeople says:
Myths About Congress | U.S. Congressman Scott Perry
For example:
SECTION 6. Clause 1. The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.
Some additional discussion on the matter:
https://digitalcommons.law.villanova.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2055&context=vlr
One of our US Congresspeople says:
Myths About Congress | U.S. Congressman Scott Perry
cbg
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That's a two sided coin, James. Open that door and Mitch McConnell, say, might find he doesn't like the idea at all.
What legislation are you talking about?
Tax Counsel
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If you were to file such a lawsuit it would be promptly dismissed for lack of standing and likely failure to state a valid claim as well. You could potentially end up being sanctioned by the court for filing a frivolous claim.
James Wilson
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It is I believe part of the stimulus package giving subsidies to Tesla and battery manufacturers, and Pelosi's husband magically put a cool million as a result in Tesla stock. My assumption was that it is against the law for representatives in congress to profiteer from pushed legislation. It is the same legislation and others being pushed for supposed green purposes that the Pelosi's have significant investments in Chinese companies producing 90+% of the worlds solar panels and windmill parts. Her excuses to date are "I doin't know what my husband invests in". What a crock.
Tax Counsel
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There are laws that address that. But none that provide the public a right to sue a legislator for it.
zddoodah
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Sure. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
Such a lawsuit would, of course, fail for probably a half dozen different reasons, and any lawyer who would file such a suit would likely be sanctioned for filing an frivolous case.
And you have admissible evidence to back up your partisan cynicism, right?
James Wilson
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James Wilson
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The facts I have stated are not partisan, they are a matter of public record, published in the news. I am neither Republican or Democrat, just a citizen sick of the lack of accountability in Washington. Pelosi is not the only one with these kinds of business interests. McConnell through his wife have interest in her family's shipping business making millions from the Chinese. Feinstein's husband is also making millions from Chinese business interests. Apparently, this is all considered "legal" even if it is a threat to national security. Are they compromised? Perhaps I am a cynic or pessimist, but having lived overseas in the third world, I have witnessed graft and corruption and this is what it smells like.
zddoodah
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The "fact" you stated, which I described as "partisan" is that Pelosi's claim that she doesn't "know what [her] husband invests in" is a "crock." That is most certainly not "a matter of public record, published in the news." You apparently believe her claims in this regard are lies. I challenged your assertion by asking if you have evidence that she's lying. Your response is non-responsive to that challenge.
Regardless, your question about a lawsuit is moot. It's politics. If you don't like it, run for office yourself or urge your elected representatives to take whatever action you think is appropriate. Hell...move to San Francisco and vote her out of office and advocate for others to do likewise (although, at her age, she doesn't have much of a life expectancy).
James Wilson
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James Wilson
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You argue symantics... Yes my opinion is that she is lying and it is based on having been married myself for 40 years. Both of us know what we are invested in. And I have actually written to my Congressman and Senator questioning these activities. That is what a concerned citizen does, apparently you don't understand the concept. Those in power must be held accountable when their actions or their family members actions affect national security. Certainly Biden and his crack head son do not understand that either. Your statement that I need to move to the land of fruits flakes and nuts and run for office is ridiculous and off topic.
cbg
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You do not get to sue based on opinion.
Zigner
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Therein lies your problem. Not every marriage is the same. My father's second marriage is entirely different from that of my marriage. My wife and I are completely open, while my father and his wife keep their finances entirely separate and without consultation with the other.
Redemptionman
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Your argument is not complete and while it could be somewhat merit in fact it does not make a substantial claim as to improper insider trading. For you could have bought into Tesla stock when it was a 100 bucks per share like I did and I have no insider trading. Granted your cause and effect relationship is based upon a fair market investment which any American is free to make.
It is a gamble like anything but Tesla's market capitalization is worth more than all the other domestic car makers combined. If you can invest in the stock then you should. It appears as if it will split again so buy once it splits then you can complain when your money grows 10-20 times more than your investment over the next 2-3 years.
If you want to find corruption then look into brides or legislation which benefits them directly via payments this is not one of those scenarios.
It is a gamble like anything but Tesla's market capitalization is worth more than all the other domestic car makers combined. If you can invest in the stock then you should. It appears as if it will split again so buy once it splits then you can complain when your money grows 10-20 times more than your investment over the next 2-3 years.
If you want to find corruption then look into brides or legislation which benefits them directly via payments this is not one of those scenarios.
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zddoodah
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Ok...so the answer to my question is no, you have no evidence to support your belief. That's what I thought.
What would make you think I don't understand such a basic concept? This concept was not previously discussed in this thread, so this seems to be another opinion you've formed without any factual basis.
Look...you said you want to sue. Suing -- assuming you want to be successful -- requires evidence. That's why I asked if you had any.
I didn't say any such thing, and it's not at all ridiculous. Nancy Pelosi is one of 500+ members of the House of Representatives. If you don't like how she's doing her job, your recourse is the political process. That you don't live in the district she represents certainly makes it more difficult, but that doesn't mean you get to sue her instead.
In any event, this thread has moved far afield from any legal issue, so I'll suggest that one of the moderators close the thread since political ranting is not a purpose of these forums.
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