Sold a stolen/lost iPhone, threat was closed

Hey everyone, my thread got closed for some reason..not sure why

This is the link to my thread http://www.thelaw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60072 so post your comments here, thanks!

Disagreeable, hope you come across this. Please read the legislation you referred me to.

(a) Online sale of stolen property. A person commits online sale of stolen property when he or she uses or accesses the Internet with the intent of selling property gained through unlawful means.

(c) Electronic fencing. A person commits electronic fencing when he or she sells stolen property using the Internet, knowing that the property was stolen. A person who unknowingly purchases stolen property over the Internet does not violate this Section.

Please tell me how either of these refer to me, I never knew the item was stolen, nor does anyone.

If you are confused with the post, click the link above and read the 2 pages, it got closed for some reason....

Thanks

If person A steals my property then sells it to person B who is unaware that it is stolen, it is still MY property and person B does not have the right to sell it. Your beef is with the person who sold it to you, not the innocent person who purchased it from you. You're trying to use a technicality as to whether or not it was reported as lost or stolen. Doesn't matter. If I lose my phone and you find it, it's still my phone. It can be easily identified as my phone and you could turn it over to the police, or the phone vendor or call one of my contacts and tell them you found my phone. If I lose a quarter and you find it on the ground, it's yours. There's no way to tell who lost it. If you want to talk about principals, then be an ethical seller and refund the guy his money. That's the right principal to stand on.

jasman718 said:

Hey everyone, my thread got closed for some reason..not sure why

This is the link to my thread http://www.thelaw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60072 so post your comments here, thanks!

Disagreeable, hope you come across this. Please read the legislation you referred me to.

(a) Online sale of stolen property. A person commits online sale of stolen property when he or she uses or accesses the Internet with the intent of selling property gained through unlawful means.

(c) Electronic fencing. A person commits electronic fencing when he or she sells stolen property using the Internet, knowing that the property was stolen. A person who unknowingly purchases stolen property over the Internet does not violate this Section.

Please tell me how either of these refer to me, I never knew the item was stolen, nor does anyone.

If you are confused with the post, click the link above and read the 2 pages, it got closed for some reason....

Thanks

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Yes, there are many ways you can address this matter.
The easiest way to dispose of this issue, avoid confusion, eliminate consternation, and keep your name off a police blotter (or a civil lawsuit docket) is return to the buyer all monies paid to purchase the "lost or stolen" iPhone.
You, sir, then can toss the phone, sell it for scrap (recouping a percentage of your procurement costs), or pursue your seller in a small claims case.

You're a college student.
You have a clean record,m good name, and bright future.
Be as smart as you appear, sir, and refund the money to your buyer.
I'd also let it go against your seller, because he more than likely knew the phone was "tainted".

You want to employ your soon to be received college degree in a manner suiting such a designation.
You don't plan to hustle used stuff for the next 30 odd years, do you?
So, use this as an object lesson.
You don't want to sell compromised stuff.
To avoid that, just be more diligent going forward.

In the future, if you persist in this endeavor, vet the merchandise before you buy and/or sell it.
Had you been more diligent, you would never have encountered this problem.
I get "it", you enjoy making money.
Heck, so do I.
That said, I've made a few mistakes, and when I do, I eat it.
Fo the right thing, son, you're not a criminal.

It is not worth wasting my time with you. One cannot fix stupid. When you called the carrier and they advised you the phone was reported lost/stolen, instead of asking them to contact the owner, you sold someone elses property. The police appear to be trying to give you a chance to make it right as does the unwitting purchaser. As you have made it clear you are electing to pretend to be obtuse, enjoy the lawyer fees and criminal record you will have.

First off, calling the cell phone carrier, they never mentioned that they could give the phone back to the original owner. They do not do that.

Unless you guys are calling the cell phone carriers to confirm what they will do then do not assume things.

Army judge i appreciate that all and do agree with you.

I had intended on giving the guy his money back. I was chatting with him after he found out he could not activate it. However, I was driving 2 hours to buy a new dog and he told me I had 2 hours to refund him or he was going to the police. So I let him do what he wanted. Now he is contacting me saying he wants to resolve this between us and does not want anything to happen to my name. If that was the case, why did he ever go to the police?? I do not like being manipulated into doing things.

Which is what has happened the whole time. The detective has been using his power to get the guy his money back for a civil matter.

Disagreeable, you have no idea what you are talking about. Also where is the legislation you were suppose to post. You make no sense and you are speaking of stuff you have no idea about. I have been in contact with the buyer, he wants nothing to do with court also. Only an idiot would take someone to court of this because they would lose. Disagreeable, plenty of people have threatened me and badgered me to get an action out of me. Try all you want, your words mean nothing to me, I am not scared of what you think because you sound stupid and clearly don't understand what is going on.

Police do not have the option to give me a chance to make it right. If i broke the law and sold something stolen, and he can prove it, I would have been arrested. What do you not get about that. He has nothing against me, no evidence and that is why he is trying to use his authority to scare me. I do not fall for these things and you can say over and over again that I will end up with criminal charges. You are some guy posting on the internet. You mean nothing, but thanks. I hope this has made you feel like a BIG person. Because we can all see that you are a little person, just dying to be right. That is good for you. I posted on here for advice and thoughts. Do everyone a favor and do not post on here anymore because you are no help to anyone. Or if you want, keep posting, it has 0 affect on me. I can weed out bullshit, it's not an issue. You ignorance on the issue is evident and the fact that you are so sure that you are correct, just makes you look stupid. But continue, please.

The detective does not like the black market for cell phones, as most do not. However, he has no authority, either does the buyer. There is no evidence in this case because it is a cell phone. Here is another example of your ignorance in the situation. The person who lost the phone ACTUALLY DOESN'T OWN THE PHONE most likely. It is probably owned by an insurance company such as asurion. When people lose their phones, they report it to them to get their replacement. The device then gets the lost/stolen title so it cannot be activated. But the original owner no longer has the right to the phone because they have been made whole by the insurance company. And it now could possibly belong to them because the person is required to find it back if it is found. You guys do not know what you are talking about, sorry but you just don't.

Anyone such as army judge who is not acting like they know everything regarding cell phones and how they work, your posts are appreciated because I do agree or at least consider what you say. Others who think they know all when they do really know very little, your ignorance is wasting both of our times, thanks, educate yourself before commenting because all situations are unique. And this one you have clearly never dealt with. Thanks

I posted the first set of laws. You were too stupid to understand they applied to you. I advised you that one cannot fix stupid. Why should I waste any more time with you. If you want to go to jail because you are an idiot, it is a public service to allow that to happen.

txls said:

If person A steals my property then sells it to person B who is unaware that it is stolen, it is still MY property and person B does not have the right to sell it. Your beef is with the person who sold it to you, not the innocent person who purchased it from you. You're trying to use a technicality as to whether or not it was reported as lost or stolen. Doesn't matter. If I lose my phone and you find it, it's still my phone. It can be easily identified as my phone and you could turn it over to the police, or the phone vendor or call one of my contacts and tell them you found my phone. If I lose a quarter and you find it on the ground, it's yours. There's no way to tell who lost it. If you want to talk about principals, then be an ethical seller and refund the guy his money. That's the right principal to stand on.

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Okay, so I'm in the reverse scenario - owner of stolen iphone that the thief took to replace it with a non-bricked iPhone at an Apple Store (tracked by serial number). Apple won't return my phone or replace it or claim that they did anything wrong. Thoughts?

sfinac said:

Okay, so I'm in the reverse scenario - owner of stolen iphone that the thief took to replace it with a non-bricked iPhone at an Apple Store (tracked by serial number). Apple won't return my phone or replace it or claim that they did anything wrong. Thoughts?

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PLEASE don't NECROPOST.
Thank you.