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Getting my 12 year old niece vaccinated for covid against her parents wishes Other Criminal Charges & Offenses

Discussion in 'Criminal Charges' started by Logan Halladay, Jun 4, 2021.

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  1. Logan Halladay

    Logan Halladay Law Topic Starter New Member

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    Here's the deal:

    I have a 12 year old niece. Her mother, who is my sister, refuses to get her vaccinated. My niece wants one, but is being endangered by her mothers stupidity.

    Well I am watching my niece for several days now, as my sister is out of town for a funeral.

    I will also be watching my niece for a week next month, when my sister will be out of town on a business trip. This is due to me working from home and her being a single mom.

    This timing will be spaced out perfectly to get my niece both doses of the Pfizer shot that is approved for ages 12 plus.

    But I was wondering if I have a loophole in which I can do this legally, despite not being the parent or legal guardian.

    My sister has left me a notorized document granting me temporary authority to make medical decisions for my niece in her absence, and I expect she will give me another one when I watch my niece next month, as long as she doesn't find out what I'm doing before then, and my niece will know not to tell her mom until after her second dose, if at all.

    That way its too late, once she's vaccinated, she cannot be unvaccinated.

    But I digress.

    I know my sisters intent in granting me this temporary authority is in case my niece has a medical emergency, and I have to take her to the hospital, but wouldn't it apply here too? Afterall, its temporary authority to make medical decisions, and this is a medical decision.

    My questions:

    1. If I do get my niece vaccinated during these two periods I'm watching her, would this document cover me legally?

    2. Would a pharmacist likely accept this document, or simply see it as an attempt to do something against the parents wishes and refuse?

    3. If the pharmacist is not satisfied with my documentation, could I successfully get her vaccinated from a different pharmacy, by filling out the forms myself and listing her as my daughter?

    After all, I'm 31, old enough to be a 12 year olds parent. How do they know I'm not her dad?

    These are my questions just so I understand what the law says on the subject and what I'm facing if I'm going against the law.

    My niece has asthma, which puts her at higher risk from covid and my sister has by admission ignored the pleas from her doctor to get her vaccinated.

    So I'm willing to alienate my sister and face charges on behalf of the childs safety. Just wondering what to be prepared for.
     
  2. PayrollHRGuy

    PayrollHRGuy Well-Known Member

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    1. Probably not.
    2. Not one that wanted to keep their license and any money they may have.
    3. You might get her vaccinated but you would be committing a crime that could end with you in prison.
     
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  3. Zigner

    Zigner Well-Known Member

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    You cannot be serious. Do not vaccinate the child against her parent(s') wishes. Just don't.

    For the record - I'm all for every eligible person being vaccinated, but the scenario you describe does NOT give you the right to do this, even if you can avoid legal repercussions due to the document you obtained.

    You are WAY overstepping your bounds here.
     
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  4. justblue

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    I will preface my post by saying that I think your sister is an idiot to not vaccinate her child.

    With that said, if you do this, your sister could/should file a criminal complaint with the police.
     
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  5. Logan Halladay

    Logan Halladay Law Topic Starter New Member

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    I'm serious as Covid. The safety of the child is going to take priority over "bounds."
     
  6. Tax Counsel

    Tax Counsel Well-Known Member

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    Be prepared then for the possibility of criminal charges for among other things, assault of a child and fraud/criminal impersonation with the potential of prison time and the various consequences that go along with that, like trouble finding work, possible loss of your right to possess firearms, etc. Also be prepared for a civil lawsuit from the parents as well, which could be quite costly.

    What you propose to do is illegal. You want to help your niece? Then work on persuading her parents to get her the vaccine.
     
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    adjusterjack Super Moderator

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    Keep telling yourself that.

    :mad:

    Do what you want. Nobody here is going to pat you on the head and go along with it.
     
  8. justblue

    justblue Well-Known Member

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    And what if your niece has an adverse reaction? Is your sister an anti-vaxer or just using caution regarding the Covid shot?

    Are you prepared to be arrested/imprisoned if you follow through? Because that is very likely to happen.
     
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    This is not your decision to make. It really is that simple.
     
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  10. Zigner

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    The child wouldn't be getting two shots because you'd never see the child again after the first shot.
     
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  11. Logan Halladay

    Logan Halladay Law Topic Starter New Member

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    What about the notorized document signed by the parent saying that in those intervals, it IS my decision to make?

    In what type of "medical decisions" does such a grant of authority begin and where does it end?
     
  12. Logan Halladay

    Logan Halladay Law Topic Starter New Member

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    How's sis finding out about it in the span of 3 weeks? When I got my shots, at no point did they even ask for my health insurance card. Its free.
     
  13. Logan Halladay

    Logan Halladay Law Topic Starter New Member

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    On behalf of my kid niece and the potentially life threatening danger she faces if someone in her condition is infected?

    I'd give up my life for hers if I had to.

    You didn't answer about the document sis gave me. Why does it or does it not apply?​
     
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    If your niece is injured/ill and is taken to the ER, you can make decisions regarding emergency care. If she breaks a tooth, you can take her to the dentist to have it fixed. It does not give you permission regarding vax's.
     
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    You are going to be asked, because the child is a minor, to show proof of paternity/Legal guardianship.
     
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    You don't think a 12 year old girl talks to her mom? You're an idiot.
     
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    There is no way any of us can intelligently comment on a document that we haven't read...and to make such comments even after reading it means nothing. If you have questions about the legality of the document that you hold, then you should speak to a local attorney.
     
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    Your letter from Mom won't allow you to get your niece vaccinated. Where is the childs father and what does he think of Mom's decision to forgo/delay the vaccination?

    VIRGINIA TO BEGIN VACCINATING ADOLESCENTS AGED 12-15 FOLLOWING FEDERAL APPROVAL – Newsroom

     
  19. Tax Counsel

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    That does not allow you to make a medical decision contrary to the known wishes of her parents. You know that her parents oppose the vaccine and thus you cannot act contrary to the decision her parents have already made. The purpose of the power of attorney you were given is to get medical care for the kid should immediate medical attention be needed. This vaccine is not that circumstance. In short you are acting as an agent for the parents, and an agent cannot go against the express wishes of the principal.
     
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    Did you really post here thinking it would be well-received? It's not your place to make medical decisions on behalf of someone else's child.

    No. You're not a parent. I note that you didn't mention the child's father, but securing medical treatment against the mother's wishes would likely land you in jail/prison.

    There is no way to evaluate this document without reading it. However, since you know she doesn't want this done, you would be exceeding your authority.

    Again, no way to know without reading it.

    No one here can intelligently opine about the likelihood that you would be able to pull a fast one on some unknown pharmacy employee.

    This is not a legal question. You know as well as anyone here that it is possible that you could lie and, as a result, get this done. What other crimes are you willing to commit to get what you want? While you're at it, why not visit a bank and lie about your identity and see how much money you can steal?

    I'd suggest you review some of these search results.

    You mean the document that no one here has read?

    Well...for starters, the kid might tell her. Or is she as duplicitous as you are? Perhaps the child will have an adverse reaction that requires medical care.
     
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