Advice in this situation

Mannan J

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I am insured in California, with a former home in California. Since just prior to this accident, I started sleeping in my car as my home. My car is a Prius.

On my way to Washington State for a trip, I got hit by a semi truck driver who was clearly sick, had trouble breathing, and probably deep COVID. It was a two lane highway where he rammed into my back left side twice without seeing me. His insurance took liability, and police report also found him at fault and cited him.

The hit happened on a Thursday. The insurance reporting happened on Monday.

My insurance is Progressive.

I reported to Progressive.

His insurance, Hudson Insurance.

Since starting, my insurance adjuster, I'll call her Hen, has made various statements which turned out to be untrue.

The interactions occurred as follows:
- I report the accident to Progressive
- I get alerted the other insurance took fault, and to call them
- The adjuster from there mentioned totaling my car: which he said "Is what, like $10k?" When he found out it was $15k, he changed his tune. Promised an estimator to come take photo estimates, 3 days later, no response, won't answer my calls, the estimator finally appears 5-6 days later, and that is followed by an eventual photo estimate from the adjuster while he still refuses to answer my calls
- During this time, I am extremely frustrated, scared, and traumatized mentally (this is my home! It has become undriveable, at the time of accident I replaced the tire with a spare, over the course of a week that spare approached dangerous conditions!) I had to figure out how to fix this all by myself, neither of insurance adjusters helped! I found out I could get a new rim, get a new tires installed by Costco. I did this all at my own pocket and dime.
- While I was waiting on the other adjuster's estimator to come, and get an estimate, I spoke to my own adjuster, Hen, and said I wanted to start moving the ball and get a photo estimate from progressive to compare estimates. I wanted to see how they would differ and if/how I would get ripped off my photo estimate
- Why did I not get a physical estimate? I'm living in this car, and need to get a comparable car back while it's in the shop. That didn't seem possible.
- I get a really low estimate from Progressive
- I get a slightly higher estimate from other (about 50% more!), still low
- Both companies eagerly sent a check to my parents home (In Virginia, where I said I'd end up), thinking I'd accept it
- Fast forward today, 1 month later, I have not accepted their checks
- I spoke to a shop in LA- where I am now- and they are again emphasizing this damage is severe and I shouldn't have been driving! I am not a professional, I don't know that sort of thing.
- My insurance, Progressive, has now disclosed (surprise surprise!) that my rental car policy only gives me $30/day! That is not enough for even 1/4th of a car rental. It definitely does not cover one way rental which is what I need, because I will be going to Virginia where I need to end up, and figuring out some other way to get my car back from LA (if it is not totalled/salvaged)
- I want to drive the car back to Virginia over the next week-2 weeks, and find a repair shop there, where I have a home to sleep. I need to get to Hawaii for various professional and personal reasons start of January, and this means I'll need help while its in the repair shop- this is my parents in Virginia.
- If I leave it here, I risk leaving business open and unclosed- and potential needing to pick it back up and drive it back to Virginia *weeks-months* after repairs.
- On the other hand, it is said it is "dangerous" to drive this vehicle. Do I risk my claim here by continually driving it?

What should I do in this situation?

I don't want to go through my insurance anymore, I understand they opened a case. I am not happy with them. I'll be switching away from them in future. I want the other party to take control of this and help me, and not be unresponsive.

Is it legally worth it to hire counsel here? Who do I even hire? The total value of my car is approximately $15k, but the value of the trauma and mental damage, priceless.
 
Considering all your issues, the answer is yes.

Talk to a couple of personal injury attorneys.
I didn't have personal injuries, so the ones I spoke to don't want to help. It seems they don't want this case. Where do you suggest I search? Should I keep trying?

Thank you.
 
Just called another, they told me the same, that I don't need a lawyer in this case. Online lawyers telling me to find a lawyer, calling one says I don't need one?? When I've tried calling several they tell me to just be persistent and call insurance companies over and over and keep trying.

But when I call them, they are unresponsive.

Is there no way to force a response by some time via some certified paper?
 
Just called another, they told me the same, that I don't need a lawyer in this case. Online lawyers telling me to find a lawyer, calling one says I don't need one?? When I've tried calling several they tell me to just be persistent and call insurance companies over and over and keep trying.

But when I call them, they are unresponsive.

Is there no way to force a response by some time via some certified paper?
 
Call a PI Lawyer, PAY him/her to write a letter to the insurance company and see how they respond.
This doesn't appear to be the purview of a "PI Lawyer"...and any lawyer could write a threatening letter.
 
I am insured in California, with a former home in California. Since just prior to this accident, I started sleeping in my car as my home. My car is a Prius.

On my way to Washington State for a trip, I got hit by a semi truck driver who was clearly sick, had trouble breathing, and probably deep COVID. It was a two lane highway where he rammed into my back left side twice without seeing me. His insurance took liability, and police report also found him at fault and cited him.

The hit happened on a Thursday. The insurance reporting happened on Monday.

My insurance is Progressive.

I reported to Progressive.

His insurance, Hudson Insurance.

Since starting, my insurance adjuster, I'll call her Hen, has made various statements which turned out to be untrue.

The interactions occurred as follows:
- I report the accident to Progressive
- I get alerted the other insurance took fault, and to call them
- The adjuster from there mentioned totaling my car: which he said "Is what, like $10k?" When he found out it was $15k, he changed his tune. Promised an estimator to come take photo estimates, 3 days later, no response, won't answer my calls, the estimator finally appears 5-6 days later, and that is followed by an eventual photo estimate from the adjuster while he still refuses to answer my calls
Have you taken your car to a shop for an estimate? Also, driving a car in such a condition may lead to additional damage that would not be covered.
- During this time, I am extremely frustrated, scared, and traumatized mentally (this is my home! It has become undriveable, at the time of accident I replaced the tire with a spare, over the course of a week that spare approached dangerous conditions!) I had to figure out how to fix this all by myself, neither of insurance adjusters helped! I found out I could get a new rim, get a new tires installed by Costco. I did this all at my own pocket and dime.
You *may* be able to be compensated for the rim/tire, if the damage was caused by the accident. You won't receive compensation for your frustration.

- While I was waiting on the other adjuster's estimator to come, and get an estimate, I spoke to my own adjuster, Hen, and said I wanted to start moving the ball and get a photo estimate from progressive to compare estimates. I wanted to see how they would differ and if/how I would get ripped off my photo estimate
Ok.
- Why did I not get a physical estimate?
That's a great question - why didn't you take the car somewhere for an estimate?

I'm living in this car, and need to get a comparable car back while it's in the shop. That didn't seem possible.
- I get a really low estimate from Progressive
- I get a slightly higher estimate from other (about 50% more!), still low
- Both companies eagerly sent a check to my parents home (In Virginia, where I said I'd end up), thinking I'd accept it
- Fast forward today, 1 month later, I have not accepted their checks
- I spoke to a shop in LA- where I am now- and they are again emphasizing this damage is severe and I shouldn't have been driving! I am not a professional, I don't know that sort of thing.
If you have caused additional damage to the car by driving it when you shouldn't have, then that's on you.
- My insurance, Progressive, has now disclosed (surprise surprise!) that my rental car policy only gives me $30/day!
Hogwash. That's the coverage you chose when you got the insurance.
That is not enough for even 1/4th of a car rental. It definitely does not cover one way rental which is what I need, because I will be going to Virginia where I need to end up, and figuring out some other way to get my car back from LA (if it is not totalled/salvaged)
That's not their problem.
- I want to drive the car back to Virginia over the next week-2 weeks, and find a repair shop there, where I have a home to sleep.
You said you've been told the car is not safe to drive in its current state. It would be incredibly stupid to drive it across the country.
I need to get to Hawaii for various professional and personal reasons start of January, and this means I'll need help while its in the repair shop- this is my parents in Virginia.
I'm beginning to think the best outcome for you would be if the car were totaled and you get paid off.
- If I leave it here, I risk leaving business open and unclosed- and potential needing to pick it back up and drive it back to Virginia *weeks-months* after repairs.
- On the other hand, it is said it is "dangerous" to drive this vehicle. Do I risk my claim here by continually driving it?
You risk your claim, sure...but more importantly, you risk your life and the lives of those around you.

What should I do in this situation?
You've raised a number of points. So which "situation" are you talking about?

I don't want to go through my insurance anymore, I understand they opened a case. I am not happy with them. I'll be switching away from them in future. I want the other party to take control of this and help me, and not be unresponsive.
Then tell your insurance company that you will work with the other party's insurance.

Is it legally worth it to hire counsel here? Who do I even hire? The total value of my car is approximately $15k, but the value of the trauma and mental damage, priceless.
As you've seen, you're not going to find an attorney to help with this (beyond, maybe, writing a letter). I know you believe that the value of your car is $15k, but people often overestimate the value of their car. In any case, if the value *is* $15k, and the damage is $10k, then you can expect to have the car repaired at the other party's expense. You can also expect the other party to pay for a rental vehicle while your car is being repaired.

Online lawyers telling me to find a lawyer, calling one says I don't need one??
You have not received a response from an attorney on this thread.
Is there no way to force a response by some time via some certified paper?
Force a response from whom?
 
thank you both. Apologies for the late reply.

I am going go try to drop off the car at a repair shop today, that I have been speaking with over the few days.

I tried in the past to get an estimate, and the shop refused to estimate unless Progressive first got on the line with them.

Fast forward to this/last week, the shop I'm going to has given an estimate, delivered it to progressive via email, progressive has ensured that once I drop it off a progressive "Repair specialist agent" will work with the shop to complete repairs.

Likely its totaled/salvaged.

Progressive will refuse to confirm this from their estimate alone without physically goin in to inspect it.

Shop will charge a daily storage fee, which I'm under the impression Progressive will pay. But I'm not sure. And my adjuster refuses to answer her phone so I can be sure of this, even if she did, I don't feel confident in her answer or the answer of another rep because I feel they can lie on the phone.

Question I have is a) How do I confirm progressive pays for the storage in the shop (its hefty!) and what happens if b) they do confirm they do and they refuse at the end or c) they say they don't and now its too late because its been spending days at the shop before they reasonably responded.

My adjuster already confirmed I could drop off the car at the shop Wednesday, (yesterday) but never confirmed who pays the cost for daily storage. And of course... refuses to answer calls and texts and does not respond reasonably time.
 
Forgive me for not answering all your questions. I figure you don't want to have them all answered given the update above but Let me know if there are specifics you want answers to.
 
...but never confirmed who pays the cost for daily storage.
What you've described is not the way storage is normally handled. Generally, you wouldn't have to pay storage while they are quoting the repair and working with the insurance. If the car is totaled, then you will get a payout and the insurance will deal with the car.

If the car is not totaled and if you were to just have the car sit there without work being done, then you would likely end up responsible for some storage fees.
 
Shop will charge a daily storage fee, which I'm under the impression Progressive will pay. But I'm not sure.

You drove the car to the shop. You should have drove it home when you got the estimate. Drive it home now so the charges won't pile up. Don't assume anything.

Question I have is a) How do I confirm progressive pays for the storage in the shop (its hefty!) and what happens if b) they do confirm they do and they refuse at the end or c) they say they don't and now its too late because its been spending days at the shop before they reasonably responded.

Like I said, take the car home NOW so you don't have unpleasant surprise later.
You can't confirm anything if you can't get anybody on the phone.

Self-preservation is nobody's business but your own.

My adjuster already confirmed I could drop off the car at the shop Wednesday, (yesterday) but never confirmed who pays the cost for daily storage. And of course... refuses to answer calls and texts and does not respond reasonably time.

One more time. Take your car home today. At worst, you'll be stuck with one day storage.

Yes, traditionally, your insurance will pay for storage while the claim is in progress. But if you start arguing about this, that, and the other thing, while the car is sitting in the shop, the adjuster is likely to balk about paying storage and stick you with the bill.
 
I kept the car. I won't take it. It seems they are trying to do something shady.
BAH covid delays and staff shortages have made an experience that was previously not the best, even that much worse.

Thank you all for your help and guidance, I think it has helped preserve my own interests in this situation and led me to make the decision to hold onto the car until things are confirmed from my insurance.
 
I hope you all have a great day. This has been one of the single most frustrating experiences of my life, and I am confident I am leaving Progressive after this even if it means paying more for someone "worse"
 
Frankly, much of your frustration in this matter is based on actions that YOU have taken. If you want to get your car repaired or totaled, it's going to need to go to a shop for evaluation. If you refuse to do that, then you can expect to be low-balled (or flat-out ignored). Additionally, your continued use of the vehicle is likely causing additional harm to the vehicle and such additional harm is NOT the responsibility of the other party.

Thousands of people go through this process - you seem to want to buck the trend.
 
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