how to get EIN without using my SSN

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I have several forms to revoke and warn people not to use the SS #. What is ein? I prob. have the form for that. I will post if you explain more.
 
Steve after getting my own EIN all you have to do is goto irs.gov and follow the businewss links. the only way it asks for an ein is if your forming an LLC or corp. for Sole Propriater you don't need one. At least that is how it worked for me.
Didn't mean to step on your toes scooter. Just somthing I finally know.
 
devling5000 said:
Steve after getting my own EIN all you have to do is goto irs.gov and follow the businewss links. the only way it asks for an ein is if your forming an LLC or corp. for Sole Propriater you don't need one. At least that is how it worked for me.
Didn't mean to step on your toes scooter. Just somthing I finally know.
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No toes stepped on, I don't know what the heck an EIN is lmao.
 
Isn't it on the back? of the new ss cards?
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not sure

Anyway, thanks devling, I'm slacking today.
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I figured with all the help and advice you have given me with my stuff, the least I can do is reply to people about what I know.
 
devling5000 said:
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I figured with all the help and advice you have given me with my stuff, the least I can do is reply to people about what I know.
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Cool. It's good to share knowledge with others. Some you help and never hear from. Spread it around, it may just save someone in need.

Back to the SS #, here is something I found, part of a notice:

Notice Regarding Disclosure of Social Security Number
Section 7 of Public Law 93-579, as enacted by the Congress of the United States provides that:
(a)(1) It shall be unlawful for any Federal, State or local government agency to deny to any individual any right, benefit, or privilege provided by law because of such individual's refusal to disclose his social security account number.
(2) the provisions of paragraph (1) of this subsection shall not apply with respect to -
(A) any disclosure which is required by Federal statute, or
(B) the disclosure of a social security number to any Federal, State, or local agency maintaining a system of records in existence and operating before January 1, 1975, if such disclosure was required under statute or regulation adopted prior to such date to verify the identity of an individual.
(b) Any Federal, State, or local government agency which requests an individual to disclose his social security account number shall inform that individual whether that disclosure is mandatory or voluntary, by what statutory or other authority such number is solicited, and what uses will be made of it.
18 USC Sec. 242 and 42 USC Sec. 1983 provides that:
Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State,
Territory, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or
laws of the United States, ... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; 42 USC Sec. 1983
further provides that a violator shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress.

42 USC Sec. 408 provides that:
Whoever ... (8) discloses, uses, or compels the disclosure of the social security number of any person in violation of the laws
of the United States; shall be guilty of a felony and upon conviction thereof shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned for not
more than five years, or both.
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Fyi

An EIN (Employer Identification Number) is used by the government (aka IRS, DOR) and financial institutions to identify your business (so you do not have to use your SS#. If you are a partnership, sole proprietor, or LLC, you will be assigned a business EIN as well as a personal EIN.

This number is used to file taxes, apply for financing, and payroll to name the most common purposes.
 
An EIN is an employer Identification Number, as WrkgClass specified - it's a necessary item if you start a corporation or hire employees. (not on the back of SSN, card, it is not for individuals, it is for organizations.) If you are a sole proprietor or a single member LLC without employees you don't need one, but for contractors or others who would like to to get work through their business without giving out their personal SSN, it's a good idea. The question is though, that when you get an EIN (online at irs.gov, or by filling out the SS-4, also available on their website), it requires the SSN of the "responsible party", ie the owner or officer that controls the entity that is applying for an EIN. Now this can be the EIN of another company, if say, you formed a series of companies, each one owning the next one - but eventually it comes down to one of them having your SSN on it. I don't know if it is possible to not use your SSN at all, which is what the original question is asking. Thoughts?
 
Scooterdog, you are absolutely correct.
The Privacy Act of 1974 (Pub.L. 93-579, 88 Stat. 1896, enacted December 31, 1974, 5 U.S.C. § 552a) establishes a Code of Fair Information Practice that governs the collection, maintenance, use, and dissemination of personally identifiable information about individuals that is maintained in systems of records by federal agencies. A system of records is a group of records under the control of an agency from which information is retrieved by the name of the individual or by some identifier assigned to the individual. The Privacy Act requires that agencies give the public notice of their systems of records by publication in the Federal Register. The Privacy Act prohibits the disclosure of information from a system of records absent the written consent of the subject individual, unless the disclosure is pursuant to one of twelve statutory exceptions. The Act also provides individuals with a means by which to seek access to and amendment of their records, and sets forth various agency record-keeping requirements.

I have always interpreted this to mean that SS#s are for SS only.
 
disagreeable said:
Another person who will not be eligible for SS or other gov't services.
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Disagreeable, that is so true. A free man owes nothing to the government and takes nothing from it. I do not want government services and I certainly do not with to pay those services that I do not want. The idea of putting money into a social security account that the government "borrows" from and never repays never made any sense to me. And how much of my money gets devoured in administrative expenses? I figured that it was best to cut my losses and invest elsewhere.
 
Wait until you get a bill for your share of the countries infrastructure, or were you planning on moving to a deserted island?
 
There is no law that states that you have to have a SSN. However, there are a great deal of issues that arise from not having one. When SSN's were first created, there was a counterpart law which stated that not agency or private entity could use your SSN for tracking purposes. In other words, it was unlawful for use as a national ID. That law was repealed and the Government started making it harder and harder to function in society without their "mark".
 
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