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    Quote Originally Posted by Scooterdog View Post
    Wow. Carl, point out, hell, explain what you mean by consent. It has nothing to do with the young adult, but the parents. It is PARENTAL CONSENT, other than if you were forcing a young male/female into sex, with is completely different than what this thread is about.
    Consent as it relates to this topic is permission freely and knowingly given - this is as opposed to force, incapacitation, or compulsion. However, under CA law having sexual relations of most any type with a minor child is illegal by statute - "consent" is entirely irrelevant to many elements of these sex crimes (PC 261.5, 288a 288(a), ad nauseum). Even if "consent" is freely given, the act is criminal per statute.

    Most states hold this line - in fact, I believe that they all do. I am unaware of any state that waives their age of consent laws if a child moves in with an adult for the purposes of sex.

    I do not see where the parents in this case forced her into a sexual relationship at all. If they had, then they could also be charged with a criminal act ... well, actually, that statute of limitations may have passed, so that may not be possible.



    For the red: I see. That makes no sense whatsoever. "they can't give consent, yet they can". Cant have sex, but can get married. Whatever.
    In short, the juvenile can say "yes" freely and openly, but sex with that juvenile is still a crime per statute ... they cannot grant legal consent because of their age and statute.

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    Consent is derived from the parents. We have our wires crossed. I understand what you are staying.

    What I'm saying, is the parents can give permision, if the young adult wanted them to. I'm not saying, forcing the person to have sex, I thought I explained that, maybe not.

    Anyway, I'm done with this topic and the person who started it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scooterdog View Post
    What I'm saying, is the parents can give permision, if the young adult wanted them to. I'm not saying, forcing the person to have sex, I thought I explained that, maybe not.
    In California (and every other state I know of) the parents cannot grant that consent and waive the minimum age requirement. They cannot effectively give permission for their minor child to be subject to unlawful activity ... if so, we could easily have child sex slavery legalized throughout the nation.

    If the parents WERE to give their permission or acquiescence to the behavior (provided they had some control) then they COULD be liable for criminal charges including child endangerment, neglect, etc. I have made these cases numerous times ... it is especially easy when the minor child is shacked up with her honey in the same house as the parent - even easier when the child gets pregnant (and they far too often do).

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    AGE OF
    SEXUAL
    STATE CONSENT
    ALABAMA 16

    ALASKA 16

    ARIZONA 18

    ARKANSAS 16

    CALIFORNIA 18

    COLORADO 17

    CONNECTICUT 16

    DELAWARE 18

    The age of sexual consent is 16 for adults who are under 30 years of age,
    or if the adult that is 30 years of age or older is married to the minor.

    DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA 16

    FLORIDA 18

    The age of sexual consent is 16 for adults who are under 24 years of age,
    or if the adult that is 24 years of age or older is married to the minor.

    GEORGIA 16

    HAWAII 16

    It is illegal for minors age 14 and 15 to have consensual sex with adults
    at least five years older, this law does not apply to married couples.

    IDAHO 18

    ILLINOIS 17

    Illinois law makes 18 the minimum age at which teachers and their students
    may legally have sex. Age 17 does not apply to teachers or any other school
    employee in a "position of authority" over the minor.

    INDIANA 16

    It is illegal for adults in a supervisory position of a minor aged 16 and 17
    to have consensual sex with them. The crime called "felony child seduction"
    , a Class D felony, carries a maximum penalty of three years in prison and a
    $10,000 fine.

    IOWA 16

    KANSAS 16

    Kansas law prohibits various sexual scenarios, and has a special category
    for sex with a person between 14 and 16. Adults breaching this criminal
    sodomy section face harsh penalties, but Kansas lawmakers carved out some
    breathing space for youthful miscreants, provided they are 18 or under, and
    within four years of age of their consensual partner. Called the "Romeo and
    Juliet" law, the provision limits the penalty for teen sex to 15 months in
    jail, and does not require the perpetrator to register as a sex offender.
    But the "Romeo and Juliet" law only applies to heterosexual teen-agers. Also
    it is a felony for school employees to have consensual sexual contact with
    students ages 16 or 17, even if it is only french-kissing.

    KENTUCKY 16

    LOUISIANA 17

    Louisiana law allows prosecutors to seek the death penalty for people
    convicted of having consensual sex with a person under 12 years old. The
    Louisiana state Supreme Court declared the law constitutional in 1999
    because of a 1977 U.S. Supreme Court ruling addressing the rape of an adult,
    not a child. The U.S. Supreme Court in 1977 banned the death penalty for
    raping adult women, but the justices did not say whether it could be applied
    to child rapists. The U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear the 1999 Louisiana
    case, allowing the death penalty law to stand.

    MAINE 16

    MARYLAND 16

    MASSACHUSETTS 16

    If a minor 16 or 17 years of age is a virgin, sex is illegal (Chapter 272:
    Section 4. Inducing person under 18 to have sexual intercourse).

    MICHIGAN 16

    MINNESOTA 16

    MISSISSIPPI 16

    MISSOURI 17

    MONTANA 16

    The homosexual age of sexual consent is higher at 18.

    NEBRASKA 17

    NEVADA 16

    The homosexual age of sexual consent is higher at 18.

    NEW HAMPSHIRE 16

    The age of sexual consent is higher at 18 if the adult is in a position of
    authority over the person and uses this authority to coerce the person to
    submit, except if between legally married spouses. Also the homosexual age
    of consent may be higher at 18?

    NEW JERSEY 16

    NEW MEXICO 17

    The age of sexual consent for homosexuals may be lower at 13?

    NEW YORK 17

    NORTH CAROLINA 16

    NORTH DAKOTA 18

    OHIO 16

    OKLAHOMA 16

    OREGON 18

    PENNSYLVANIA 16

    RHODE ISLAND 16

    SOUTH CAROLINA 16

    People 18 or younger can have consensual sex with someone as young as 14.
    South Carolina law allows prosecutors to seek the death penalty for people
    twice convicted of having consensual sex with a person under 11 years old.

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    SOUTH DAKOTA 16

    TENNESSEE 18

    39-13-506. Statutory rape. (a) Statutory rape is sexual penetration of a
    victim by the defendant or of the defendant by the victim when the victim
    is at least thirteen (13) but less than eighteen (18) years of age and the
    defendant is at least four (4) years older than the victim. (b) If the
    person accused of statutory rape is under eighteen (18) years of age, such
    a defendant shall be tried as a juvenile and shall not be transferred for
    trial as an adult. (c) Statutory rape is a Class E felony.

    TEXAS 18

    The age of consent in Texas is considered to be 17 years of age, however,
    until the minor turns 18, he or she can only have sexual relations with
    someone 2 years older.

    UTAH 18

    The age of sexual consent may be lower at 16 as long as it does not involve
    force?

    VERMONT 16

    VIRGINIA 18

    A person 18 and older having sex with a 13- or 14-year-old faces a felony
    charge, which carries a punishment of two to 10 years in prison and up to a
    $100,000 fine. A person 18 and older having sex with someone age 15, 16 or 17
    faces a misdemeanor, punishable by up to one year in jail and a $2,500 fine.

    WASHINGTON 16

    It is illegal for any school employee to have consensual sexual contact
    with a student between age 16 and high school graduation, so age 16 does not
    apply to school employees.

    WEST VIRGINIA 16

    The age of sexual consent for homosexuals may be higher at 18?

    WISCONSIN 18

    WYOMING 16*

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    In California (and every other state I know of) the parents cannot grant that consent and waive the minimum age requirement
    Well, now you have the facts. Parental consent is what is needed, and the ages above are those ages the parents can give consent for the young adult to have sex.

    Now I will move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scooterdog View Post
    Well, now you have the facts. Parental consent is what is needed, and the ages above are those ages the parents can give consent for the young adult to have sex.
    IF the child is over the age of consent or a legal adult, then the parent(s) CAN give their approval, a high five, a thumbs up, or whatever they choose to do. But, if the "young adult" is at or above the age of consent, parental permission is not going to be required anyway. However, OTHER matters CAN and often DO come into play ... contributing to the delinquency of a minor, encouraging a child to runaway, ad nauseum.

    If the child is UNDER the age of consent (as was the case in the OP's original post) then the parent can NOT grant ANY consent and allow sexual relations to take place.

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    I never said if they were under the age of consent.
    You have stated the age of consent is 18, everywhere. It appears to be in Cal, and a few others, but not all states.

    Okay, say in WEST VIRGINIA, a 16 year old is having sex without parental consent with a 20 year old(just as an example) you would be guilty of sex without consent, or whatever they call it in WV.

    Yet, if the same 20 year old had permision from the parents, it would then be legal.

    I'm sorry if that doesn't fall into your idea of morality, but that's just the way it is. Again, it reverts to the parents, and the maturity of the person. Clearly some states 16 year olds are far more mature than, well, say Cal. who has to wait another two years to catch up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scooterdog View Post
    I never said if they were under the age of consent.
    You have stated the age of consent is 18, everywhere. It appears to be in Cal, and a few others, but not all states.
    I never said it was 18 everywhere.

    I'm not sure where you got THAT idea.

    And MY sense of morality opposes any relations outside the covenant of marriage. But, I am considered by many to be a prude.

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